michael, you just saw him there, and the other victim, 19-year-old tomasz, just 19 years old. i know you were friends with michael. really a hero firefighter. really just beloved in that area. tell me what he was like and how his family is holding up. >> chip, we call him chip, chip was a great guy. we've been firefighters together for over 20 years, although in separate fire departments, but we're co-workers at the town of webster, as chip was a lieutenant currently down in the police department, which is in the same building that my office is located in. >> and i understand -- this just awful. i understand that his son, nick, was actually in the 911 dispatch center, heard all of those awful, just terrible calls coming in. have you had an opportunity to speak to him at all? >> i have. i spoke -- nick works as a dispatcher for a commercial ambulance company, and he was working nights that night. he heard the dispatch and the ca call. i spoke to him that christmas eve afternoon. i spoke to him in the afternoon. he insisted on riding in the fire truck to escort his father's body